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	<title>Comments on: CAPT J. M. Van Tol on FDNF Liberty Restrictions.</title>
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	<description>Just another Navy guy living in Japan...</description>
	<pubDate>Fri, 22 Aug 2008 01:26:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: zr2pilot</title>
		<link>http://fewl.net/2008/05/17/capt-j-m-van-tol-on-fdnf-liberty-restrictions/#comment-311965</link>
		<dc:creator>zr2pilot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 05:50:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>He looks like he could be the brother of another FDNF ship CO!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He looks like he could be the brother of another FDNF ship CO!</p>
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		<title>By: Mad Joe</title>
		<link>http://fewl.net/2008/05/17/capt-j-m-van-tol-on-fdnf-liberty-restrictions/#comment-307129</link>
		<dc:creator>Mad Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jul 2008 14:19:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I came aboard the Essex a couple of months after Capt. JVT left so I never knew what is was like under his command , but there were plenty of guys still there who could tell me about him. From what I got from these stories was that JVT didn't take shit from no-one.  He was a tuff S.O.B. (He automatically gave anyone full punishment if you went to mast.), but he was completely fair.  I was told he actually gave a shit about his crew and their morale (In a gruff sort of way).  It maybe possible he was 'asked to retire' because he wouldn't put up with 7th Fleet's crap or he got fed up and left.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I came aboard the Essex a couple of months after Capt. JVT left so I never knew what is was like under his command , but there were plenty of guys still there who could tell me about him. From what I got from these stories was that JVT didn&#8217;t take shit from no-one.  He was a tuff S.O.B. (He automatically gave anyone full punishment if you went to mast.), but he was completely fair.  I was told he actually gave a shit about his crew and their morale (In a gruff sort of way).  It maybe possible he was &#8216;asked to retire&#8217; because he wouldn&#8217;t put up with 7th Fleet&#8217;s crap or he got fed up and left.</p>
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		<title>By: Carl</title>
		<link>http://fewl.net/2008/05/17/capt-j-m-van-tol-on-fdnf-liberty-restrictions/#comment-281431</link>
		<dc:creator>Carl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jun 2008 14:24:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For those of us that have served in the FDNF and are serving now, things have totally gotten out of control when it comes to policy over here. The entire military is punished because of a few bad apples. The policies are so strick that it doesn't seem that higher ups get it. All they are worried about is what the host country feels and CYOA. The liberty has gotten stricker every year I've been over hear. The junior sailors are treated as though they are middle school children. I've always thought that putting on khakis would earn me more priviledges, but all it has done is given me more money. We have a curfew and are treated as though we don't know any better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For those of us that have served in the FDNF and are serving now, things have totally gotten out of control when it comes to policy over here. The entire military is punished because of a few bad apples. The policies are so strick that it doesn&#8217;t seem that higher ups get it. All they are worried about is what the host country feels and CYOA. The liberty has gotten stricker every year I&#8217;ve been over hear. The junior sailors are treated as though they are middle school children. I&#8217;ve always thought that putting on khakis would earn me more priviledges, but all it has done is given me more money. We have a curfew and are treated as though we don&#8217;t know any better.</p>
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		<title>By: Drago</title>
		<link>http://fewl.net/2008/05/17/capt-j-m-van-tol-on-fdnf-liberty-restrictions/#comment-275784</link>
		<dc:creator>Drago</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 05:33:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That was well said, B. Taylor.  Mass punishment just doesn't work.  It only serves to infuriate and frustrate those who do what they are supposed to do, but get fucked regardless.  Yes, yes, police your shipmates, FINE.  But why must I be held accountable for an incident that happened in the 'honch' while I was in Tokyo?  Or Shinagawa?  Or my DAMN RACK?  There aren't any Navy issue 'psychic powers' that I'm unaware of, are there?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That was well said, B. Taylor.  Mass punishment just doesn&#8217;t work.  It only serves to infuriate and frustrate those who do what they are supposed to do, but get fucked regardless.  Yes, yes, police your shipmates, FINE.  But why must I be held accountable for an incident that happened in the &#8216;honch&#8217; while I was in Tokyo?  Or Shinagawa?  Or my DAMN RACK?  There aren&#8217;t any Navy issue &#8216;psychic powers&#8217; that I&#8217;m unaware of, are there?</p>
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		<title>By: B. Taylor</title>
		<link>http://fewl.net/2008/05/17/capt-j-m-van-tol-on-fdnf-liberty-restrictions/#comment-258317</link>
		<dc:creator>B. Taylor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 06:45:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As lynn wrote "I’d like to see more people speak out against certain policies before retirement as well"  
That would be great, but we all know what would happen.  I served for 26 years and have seen not only a collapse of Navy leadership from the top, but from the CPO mess as well.  The collapse began when PCO and PXO boards no longer had access to psychological profiles on the men and women they were "screening"  How can a board successfully screen an individual for command, without that profile?  Just this past week, 3 CO's relieved for "lack of confidence and ability to lead"  How well could these officers really lead in the first place?

The next collapse was turning the CPO initiation into.. "transistion, or induction"  There are CPOs, SCPOs and MCPOs in the fleet right now that I have served with, that cannot tell an Ensign let alone a CO that something he/she is about to do is wrong and give the officer the correct info for him/her to make a informed decision.  There are CPOs out there that are simply E-5's wearing Khakis.  We have all seen them, we each know a few of them.  Whether they made rank because of quotas, gender or they looked good and therefore their evals were better.  The PO1 that does 1000 hours community service is quite impressive, but doesn't  know his/her job, doesn't deserve to wear the uniform of a CPO.  
Yes, COs' are too worried about what will happen if they don't cower to the upper layer.  Christ, they are even afraid to follow SURFOR instructions about CASREPS, because they think it makes them look bad.  Instead of looking out for the men and women in the crew, they are more concerned about covering their own ass.  Damn Pity!  What would Nimitz or the other great Naval Officers think if they were to see what has happened?
Treat your sailors as grown men and women, treat theat as professionals.  They in turn will not usually disappoint.  But if they happen to "screw up" then deal with it swiftly and fairly.  Then move on.  

DO NOT PUNISH THE MASSES FOR THE FEW, FOR IN TIME, THOSE THAT MAKE UP THE MASSES, WILL HAVE SWAPPED PLACES WITH THE FEW.   

Then whom will the blame for that be placed?

Chiefs, stand up and be accountable.  Stick up for your sailors.  It's your place to tell the Chain of Command where they are screwing up.   Are you the Chief Petty Offier or simply an E-7 or worse, an E-5 in Khakis?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As lynn wrote &#8220;I’d like to see more people speak out against certain policies before retirement as well&#8221;<br />
That would be great, but we all know what would happen.  I served for 26 years and have seen not only a collapse of Navy leadership from the top, but from the CPO mess as well.  The collapse began when PCO and PXO boards no longer had access to psychological profiles on the men and women they were &#8220;screening&#8221;  How can a board successfully screen an individual for command, without that profile?  Just this past week, 3 CO&#8217;s relieved for &#8220;lack of confidence and ability to lead&#8221;  How well could these officers really lead in the first place?</p>
<p>The next collapse was turning the CPO initiation into.. &#8220;transistion, or induction&#8221;  There are CPOs, SCPOs and MCPOs in the fleet right now that I have served with, that cannot tell an Ensign let alone a CO that something he/she is about to do is wrong and give the officer the correct info for him/her to make a informed decision.  There are CPOs out there that are simply E-5&#8217;s wearing Khakis.  We have all seen them, we each know a few of them.  Whether they made rank because of quotas, gender or they looked good and therefore their evals were better.  The PO1 that does 1000 hours community service is quite impressive, but doesn&#8217;t  know his/her job, doesn&#8217;t deserve to wear the uniform of a CPO.<br />
Yes, COs&#8217; are too worried about what will happen if they don&#8217;t cower to the upper layer.  Christ, they are even afraid to follow SURFOR instructions about CASREPS, because they think it makes them look bad.  Instead of looking out for the men and women in the crew, they are more concerned about covering their own ass.  Damn Pity!  What would Nimitz or the other great Naval Officers think if they were to see what has happened?<br />
Treat your sailors as grown men and women, treat theat as professionals.  They in turn will not usually disappoint.  But if they happen to &#8220;screw up&#8221; then deal with it swiftly and fairly.  Then move on.  </p>
<p>DO NOT PUNISH THE MASSES FOR THE FEW, FOR IN TIME, THOSE THAT MAKE UP THE MASSES, WILL HAVE SWAPPED PLACES WITH THE FEW.   </p>
<p>Then whom will the blame for that be placed?</p>
<p>Chiefs, stand up and be accountable.  Stick up for your sailors.  It&#8217;s your place to tell the Chain of Command where they are screwing up.   Are you the Chief Petty Offier or simply an E-7 or worse, an E-5 in Khakis?</p>
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		<title>By: Lynn</title>
		<link>http://fewl.net/2008/05/17/capt-j-m-van-tol-on-fdnf-liberty-restrictions/#comment-257943</link>
		<dc:creator>Lynn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 May 2008 22:16:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'd like to see more people speak out against certain policies before retirement as well. Maybe then things would actually get done logically, but I doubt enough people have the guts. It would definitely take large numbers.

For years I've done everything as a civilian because it's easier than dealing with the Navy. I've even paid hundreds of dollars out of pocket (probably thousands, actually) just to avoid Tricare's bullshit. It wasn't until recently, in preparation for the move to Yokosuka, that I've been forced to actually deal with the Navy, and so far it hasn't been pretty. In every instance I have driven home completely infuriated with the total lack of organization and common sense. Things that should be simple never are. It's very hard for me not to lose my temper in situations like that, but I bite my tongue and suck it up...and I'm not even in the Navy.

While in the waiting room at the Norfolk medical facility (where I sat for over an hour just for someone to hand me my file), I witnessed a girl asking her CO why they didn't change the way they did something that had to do with appointments (too many acronyms for me to know exactly what she was talking about), and then she suggested an alternative method that, in my opinion, sounded excellent in comparison. Her CO said nothing along the lines of, "that's a great idea," or if it was actually a bad idea, he didn't explain why her suggestion wouldn't work. Instead he said, "&lt;strong&gt;because that's the way we've always done it, so that's the way we'll continue doing it.&lt;/strong&gt;" I believe that statement pretty much sums up the entire Navy's mentality.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d like to see more people speak out against certain policies before retirement as well. Maybe then things would actually get done logically, but I doubt enough people have the guts. It would definitely take large numbers.</p>
<p>For years I&#8217;ve done everything as a civilian because it&#8217;s easier than dealing with the Navy. I&#8217;ve even paid hundreds of dollars out of pocket (probably thousands, actually) just to avoid Tricare&#8217;s bullshit. It wasn&#8217;t until recently, in preparation for the move to Yokosuka, that I&#8217;ve been forced to actually deal with the Navy, and so far it hasn&#8217;t been pretty. In every instance I have driven home completely infuriated with the total lack of organization and common sense. Things that should be simple never are. It&#8217;s very hard for me not to lose my temper in situations like that, but I bite my tongue and suck it up&#8230;and I&#8217;m not even in the Navy.</p>
<p>While in the waiting room at the Norfolk medical facility (where I sat for over an hour just for someone to hand me my file), I witnessed a girl asking her CO why they didn&#8217;t change the way they did something that had to do with appointments (too many acronyms for me to know exactly what she was talking about), and then she suggested an alternative method that, in my opinion, sounded excellent in comparison. Her CO said nothing along the lines of, &#8220;that&#8217;s a great idea,&#8221; or if it was actually a bad idea, he didn&#8217;t explain why her suggestion wouldn&#8217;t work. Instead he said, &#8220;<strong>because that&#8217;s the way we&#8217;ve always done it, so that&#8217;s the way we&#8217;ll continue doing it.</strong>&#8221; I believe that statement pretty much sums up the entire Navy&#8217;s mentality.</p>
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		<title>By: KJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>KJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 May 2008 21:44:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like this guy, he has the balls to stand up to big navy and not care about the reprucussions seeing as he is already out.  But then again will an article change much about it, i think it has to be done from the inside, but we will see.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like this guy, he has the balls to stand up to big navy and not care about the reprucussions seeing as he is already out.  But then again will an article change much about it, i think it has to be done from the inside, but we will see.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
		<link>http://fewl.net/2008/05/17/capt-j-m-van-tol-on-fdnf-liberty-restrictions/#comment-257875</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 May 2008 21:23:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'd like to see this guy's reactions to the recent Navy Times article "What Wrong With SURFOR" in which VADM Curtis and FORMC Schanche demonstrated how they completely missed the point. Jim, maybe you should contact CAPT van Tol and ask him to be a contributor to this site.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d like to see this guy&#8217;s reactions to the recent Navy Times article &#8220;What Wrong With SURFOR&#8221; in which VADM Curtis and FORMC Schanche demonstrated how they completely missed the point. Jim, maybe you should contact CAPT van Tol and ask him to be a contributor to this site.</p>
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