MCPON’s Visit to Yokosuka…

MCPON Joe Campa Jr. UPDATE: The Stars and Stripes’ Chris Fowler has a good article on the MCPON visit, with additional questions and more in depth answers.

Joe R. Campa Jr., the 11th Master Chief Petty Officer of the Navy (MCPON) paid a visit to Fleet Activities Yokosuka on Thursday. The previous day, we were all told we’d be attending an all hands call he was holding on board the USS Kitty Hawk. Try as I may, I could not weasel out of it. We all mustered on the Kitty Hawk at 0800, and my first impression was the hangar bay was much bigger than it looks from the outside. There were thousands of Sailors, so many that I actually thought I was developing an anxiety disorder or something. We were all surrounded by these enormous flags from the US, Japan, and the “Don’t tread on me” jack…the photo op was perfect. There was some officer, one of those bristle-mustachioed skinny guys who wears one of those obnoxious aviator jackets, the brown leather ones with the fur, yannow? He kept walking around screaming for everyone to “dress right and cover down” and “straighten these ranks,” only to have the MCPON give the inevitable order to have “everyone fill it in…get in close,” completely throwing the rank thing out the window.

I had to be in like 120th row, so I couldn’t see the MCPON all that well. Luckily, Kitty Hawk has a pretty good PA system. I was actually interested in hearing what the Master Chief had to say, but unfortunately he ended up sounding more like the Public Affairs Officer (PAO) for the Navy, than he did a Chief. See, I’m used to Chiefs who don’t beat around the bush, use buzzwordstoe party lines (better?), or avoid sensitive issues. I’m used to Chiefs who have no problem being politically incorrect, but I guess being the most senior enlisted man in the Navy comes with some big expectations. His speech was really spirited, but it honestly seemed like the typical “you’re all doing a great job blah blah blah.” It was hot in the hangar and the impression I got from the people around me, is everyone just wanted to leave. He had a little trivia session where he asked some questions about how old the MCPON office, or the Chief’s mess is. He then proceeded to give MCPON coins to those who could do basic math…it was riveting. The MCPON didn’t talk too long before he opened up the floor for questions. He added the caveat that he couldn’t answer questions about immediate work related issues like “why is my chief…etc” or issues about the area, which was a little disappointing. Here’s most of the questions and his responses. I didn’t have a tape recorder, so it’s all from memory. I assume one of the million other Sailors who was there could correct any errors if they find them.

Why are enlisted and Officer meal deductions different?
I assume the person asking this wanted to know why we enlisted get money deducted from our pay for meals, while Officers can pay for their own as they see fit? The MCPON’s answer was “I don’t know” and seriously, why should he. He asked the crowd if anyone else knew why it was they were different, and someone yelled out “education!” “No, I don’t think that’s it” was the Master Chief’s response. One of the Officers in the audience, who was a prior enlisted, said regardless of why it was, it’s not as good for the Officers as everyone thinks. An ET1 from the USS Shiloh who was standing near me answered the question himself with “Because you’re a retard who’ll blow all of your money on booze and starve to death.” Classic.

Why can’t experienced Sailors stay in Japan?
This was the inevitable Continual Overseas Tour (COT) question that is asked at EVERY all hands call, it was just worded differently. The Sailor wanted to know why people who have been in Japan have to eventually leave, when their experience would benefit the Navy in Japan more, instead of having some newbies come in and mess everything up. On the surface, it’s sounds like he’s really looking out for the Navy - Japan relationship in the long run, but allow me to translate. What he really meant was “Master Chief, I love Japanese chicks. I love them so much I got married/am banging one. I also like Manga, Pocky, school girls, and other geeky Japanese shit. Why oh why, Master Chief, can’t I stay in Japan longer than the current cutoff?!” The MCPON responded by basically saying the experiences you have out here, and the things you learn, need to be passed on to other Sailors. He said the way we operate over here is in such a way that if we passed it on to Sailors in other AOR’s, that it would only make us stronger as a force. I completely agree with him.

What is the Navy doing to prepare the GW for duty in Japan?
Good question, but there was really no answer. MCPON said he knows training has been going on, and the crews have been talked to yadda yadda. This will be the subject of another post, but there’s nothing the Navy can do to prepare the crew of USS George Washington other than keep the crew on constant lock down, which I assume will happen. If anyone is currently on the USS George Washington and can offer some insight into what kind of things have been going on, or if restrictions are already in place, please e-mail me.

Someone talked about how IAs only strain an already strained Navy.
Initially someone asked a question that I assume dealt with IAs, but no one in the back could hear it, so we were all kind of lost. Immediately following that question, a female Sailor told the MCPON that she feels IAs do nothing more but strain and already strained Navy. With downsizing, undermanned crews, and IAs, the Navy…as in the people not on shore, is tired, stressed, and worn thin. This was probably those wisest thing said during the whole Q&A. We are an extremely stressed Navy, and we’re continuing to downsize, deploy to war zones on IA duty, and take on new non-traditional missions in the global theater. The MCPON said he completely understood, but that we had to realize that we were at war, and a Navy at war has to deal with more sacrifice. Even though I’m sure no one wanted to hear it, he was absolutely right. He then went on to tell about how he sees some Sailors doing missions in Iraw, like Electronic Warfare (EW) guys over there using Navy technology to prevent IEDs from detonating, or FCs, ETc, etc., outfitting land bases with Close-In Weapons Systems (CIWS), which is pretty bad ass. It’s too bad all we do is get underway and do donuts…when the hell are we going to do something cool? Give us a fucking humanitarian mission or something, please! On a side note, this was the only question to elicit a response from the rest of the audience, who applauded for support.

A Chief asked what the MCPON meant in his NavyTimes article.
The MCPON was recently features in a NavyTimes article with the headline “UNACCEPTABLE!” The article was talking about commands filing their Sailors by not doing whatever they could to advance their Sailor’s careers. Most notable was the MCPON’s feeling that commands not doing Career Development Boards (CDBs) are failing their Sailors. CDBs are periodic reviews of your career progress with senior enlisted, who offer guidance on how you can better achieve your goals. He stood by his comment that if commands aren’t doing CDBs that they’re wrong. I agree with the Master Chief on this point as well. I have never had a CDB and at this point in my career, where I’m jaded and just overall don’t give a shit about it anymore, I think they could have helped me keep on track and done something more than just stay off the radar. How’s this for strange? I’ve been on my ship for 2 1/2 years now, and we have a Disciplinary Review Board (DRB) nearly once a week, yet I have never heard of anyone every having a CDB as long as I’ve been on board. And just how strong is the MCPON? After the article was out in the NavyTimes, we all of a sudden had to fill out CDB worksheets…typical reactive Navy.

Questions about training.
Two questions were asked about training. One was asking whether “C” schools were being looked into for improvement. From a person who’s been to a few, I can tell you that “C” schools are lacking in the Navy. The technology in the classroom is never on par with what’s on your ship. It’s either “you’ll never see thing, but we still have to teach it until our curriculum is updated” or it’s “you guys don’t have this yet, but in a few years you should.” Both of which do nothing to help the technicians who have to work on the equipment in the future. Master Chief Campa acknowledged that we definitely have to try and keep up with the changing technology, and that “C” school effectiveness is always being looked at.

The other question was about training that new Sailors get before going to the fleet. A lot of people think that training has gotten shorter and shorter, and new Sailors aren’t properly prepared for the fleet. I have to agree with this outlook, as even I wasn’t ready for the fleet when i went through my initial technical training. Everything was completely different then what I had actually learned. One thing the MCPON didn’t like was Computer Based Training (CBT), and even said that in some instances Sailors aren’t even touching the equipment anymore. Where it used to be a hands on experience of taking a piece of equipment apart and putting it back together, Sailors are now sitting at a screen and clicking through the sequence. MCPON said he believes that hands on experience where a senior Petty Officer or Chief is passing on his not-so-by-the-book experience on how to do something in the fleet is an invaluable resource. Like the “C” schools, “A” schools are constantly being evaluated.

When are the new uniforms being rolled out?!

I don\'t care...

If you really want to know, January of 2009.

How could senior leadership justify depriving basic civil liberties?
Honestly, I don’t think the Navy does a bad job when it comes to civil liberties. I don’t think the Sailor actually knew what civil liberties were. Neither did the MCPON, who corrected him with “I think you’re talking about just liberty in general.” He gave the standard talk about how when we take the oath, we agree to give up some rights, and how screwing all of us over is better for the US - Japan relationship in the future…you know the drill.

I think he asked a few more questions, but at this point everyone just wanted it to be over with and get the hell out of there. It seemed like every time he said “next question” everyone in the back would grumble and fidget around waiting to go. Finally, when he said “last question” the crowd roared with applause and cheering…seriously. I immediately thought everyone wearing khaki was going to be pissed, but what do you expect? We’re the miserable 7th Fleet.

One thing I really appreciate the MCPON talking about was the role of the 2nd and 1st Class Petty Officers. He said when a Seaman becomes a PO, they go through a petty officer indoc to outline their new expectations. The only other time that happens is when the Sailors makes Chief. What about the two ranks in between, who are absolutely the backbone of the Navy. He said they’re working on something for us, and I really hope that comes to fruition. The leadership continuum classes they have now aren’t shit.

On a personal note…
I recently (finally) qualified as an Enlisted Surface Warfare Specialist (ESWS), and the MCPON was the one who pinned me on Thursday afternoon. After telling us how he used to serve under our current Captain, and how our ship has such a positive reputation (seriously though, we are a bad ass cruiser), he started the pinning ceremony. He said a few words about how we should be proud of achieving this qualification, and welcomed me and three of my shipmates, all four of us original C-ville Sailors, to the Surface Warrior community. He shook my hand and gave me one of his coveted MCPON coins and put my pin on my utilities. Three things were going through my head. “Why am I so nervous?” “He’s a lot shorter than he looks on TV” and as much as I hate to sound like Joe Navy, “this is probably the highlight of my Naval career.” I think the MCPON being there made me think of my pin as something to be proud of, instead of just something I needed to get before I was delinquent and wanted to get the hell out of Japan.

Comments 17

  1. mesoglea wrote:

    He was in Atsugi Wednesday. He said basically the same things.
    He had a much smaller audience and we had a few good questions for him.
    Someone asked, “What is the Navy doing to reduce the crazy incidents in Japan.”
    His reply was something about leadership. Nothing about improved training or increased requirements for overseas duty that many fellow Petty Officers agree on.

    Posted 10 Apr 2008 at 1:43 pm
  2. KJ wrote:

    The officer there in the aviator’s jacket was actually a captain but all the same it was pretty funny to have us all huddle around the MCPON not even 2 seconds after he got there.

    Posted 10 Apr 2008 at 2:37 pm
  3. CAPT. Zack Sparrow wrote:

    Well I’m glad i was 2 1/2 years late and getting that pin cause now I have the one thing i love to have. BRAGGING RIGHTS BI-ATCH. That made it all worth while.

    Posted 10 Apr 2008 at 3:32 pm
  4. VoXman wrote:

    “The MCPON responded by basically saying the experiences you have out here, and the things you learn, need to be passed on to other Sailors. He said the way we operate over here is in such a way that if we passed it on to Sailors in other AOR’s, that it would only make us stronger as a force. I completely agree with him.”

    Sorry, I have to disagree with this one. One thing I learned from the many different and varied commands I was stationed is, that what you learned job wise though you may think its applicable to the next job, your next command doesn’t think so. Each Command, and mean specifically each ship as well has their own way of doing things and their own politics. If you think I am wrong then ask yourself how many times the Capt has over -rode Navy wide command instructions. Whatever was learned job wise on the kitty hawk will get shit canned when the GW gets here for politics alone. And the MCPON when he was a mere Master Chief knows this. he is playing the pied piper for the Navy and anything he says is always suspect. It offends my intelligence when I hear so called experienced guys like this one talk to smart sailors this way.

    Posted 10 Apr 2008 at 4:06 pm
  5. D. Sider wrote:

    Surprised at another talking head? Come on, what did you expect? Tote the line or you’ll won’t even be considered for the MCPON position. What a joke. I remember a MCPON visit in Yoko back in the early 80’s and after a BS speech at the old Club Alliance (it was located off base at the end of Honcho 3), we retreated to VP alley (Honcho 3 at the time) and the then MCPON declared “glad that shit’s over, let’s drink!”. Man, have times and my NAVY changed.

    P.S. IRT homesteading in YOKO. Can’t do it ( call it COT now?) in Japan anymore?, but it’s OK to remain n San Diego or Norfolk your entire Career? I was told the same thing back in the day. I terminated stateside shore duty after 6 months and returned to sea duty in Yoko due to all of the nit picky rules & regulations. Has that changed also?

    Posted 10 Apr 2008 at 4:41 pm
  6. AG up on the Hill wrote:

    I wasn’t surprised at the least about the responses that the MCPON was giving. He was speaking on Big Navy’s behalf instead of through his own experiences. I did want to strangle that guy who asked that question about civil liberties, though. Haven’t he realized that we protect the Constitution but it is no longer applicable to us?

    Posted 10 Apr 2008 at 5:17 pm
  7. squid wrote:

    haha…that “bristle-mustachioed skinny guy” is the kitty-hawk XO.

    Posted 10 Apr 2008 at 7:47 pm
  8. Squid Vicious wrote:

    With everything that MCPON said needs to be looked at, or is being evaluated, I can’t help but wonder who is doing the evaluating. I would expect MCPON, who probably knows within a question or two what every question an all-hands call will generate, to be able to say something is being done by someone or some command. Too many nebulous “needs to be” evaluated by too many nameless, faceless entities. It could too easily be lip service. I want names, places and timelines. And while I’m at it, I want a beer and another shot.

    Posted 10 Apr 2008 at 9:57 pm
  9. Salty Dog ... wrote:

    Jim - Thanks for the “play by play” on the MCPON Call on the Hawk. I almost felt I was there myself stretching my neck to get a glimpse of the guy. I remember attending a few of these myself back in the 70’s and 80’s. These events are typically rehearsed, with his wife in tow along with the Regional CMC. The Airdale. Hatchet-Man XO yells at everybody, just like the guy on the Hawk. Nothing ever happens, it’s all for show and part of the Navy’s PR campaign to make it appear that they really care about the junior enlisted. Nobody complains about anything important for fear of reprisal. Same old … different day …

    Posted 11 Apr 2008 at 1:43 am
  10. MusashiDude wrote:

    How many of you & your sailors were told to run your quesiton by the COC first? Kinda funny how they squash the really prickly topics before they rear their ugly heads in an open forum. Yes, asking the MCPON about his car or why junior sailors still have liberty cards is kinda dumb. However, having your COC give you crap afterwards about something they know is an issue and no one else had the courage to ask is pretty weak. Hat’s off to those guys and major high five when the Media Center crew interviewed a few of them after the All Hands Call.

    Posted 11 Apr 2008 at 5:01 am
  11. The Dude wrote:

    Jim, congrats on getting your pin! It wasn’t that hard was it??? LOL!

    Posted 11 Apr 2008 at 5:31 am
  12. I*Loved*Yokosuka wrote:

    Congrats on the pin Jim, it’s terrible how the Navy did away with eval points from a warfare pin and immediately headed in the direction of making a warfare designator mandatory, is that the case? Are warfare pins mandatory now? Regardless that just adds some bragging rights to your side, on top of that it’ll make for a good sea story.

    Posted 11 Apr 2008 at 6:47 am
  13. Jim wrote:

    The Dude: For the most part it wasn’t bad, but we had a new guy for Engineering and he was frickin’ thorough. It was worth it in the end though. By the way, glad to see you back ;)

    I*Loved*Yokosuka: Yes, it’s mandatory. My biggest motivation to get it was my detailer saying that despite being on my ship for three years, that I wasn’t going to get shore duty because I didn’t have the pin. Needless to say, her motivation worked. lol.

    Posted 11 Apr 2008 at 12:47 pm
  14. CAPT Zack Sparrow wrote:

    I just wish i could forget all that engineering stuff. All that crap seems to be firmly lodged in my brain. Dear god save me

    Posted 12 Apr 2008 at 4:25 am
  15. Lloyd wrote:

    Nice Give-A-Shit-O-Meter……

    Posted 12 Apr 2008 at 11:01 am
  16. Dave wrote:

    I remember going to ADM Roughhead’s call about a year ago. I got yelled at for taking my cover off in the hanger bay… how was I supposed to know? I’m a surface navy sailor through and through.

    Posted 19 Apr 2008 at 6:33 am
  17. PatricktheRogue wrote:

    Great NCO wisdom straight to the point!
    My only disagreement is when you started to get a little teary over this toe-the-political-line bullshit your senior NCO vomited up for you about the overstrained Navy, “The MCPON said he completely understood, but that we had to realize that we were at war, and a Navy at war has to deal with more sacrifice.”
    To that I say, BULLSHIT!!, a Navy (and a Marine Corps, Army, etc.) at war should have the gear and THE PEOPLE they need to do the job. In World War II we had TWELVE MILLION men and women in uniform. It is the job of senior leaders in the miitary to cry bullshit on our hapless politicians to get what we need to fight! How about the MCPON and the CNO sacrifice their stripes and stars to lay the truth down in front of the congress by telling them we need fifty thousand more sailors and a few hundred thousand more marines and soldiers if they want us to continue policing the world. Seriously, maritime interdiction ops and port security can’t be done by some cool gizmo, those mission, just like most missions in this new small wars environment, need more boots on the ground (or the deck.) If that is what our civilian leaders want us to do, fine, but don’t allow them to do it on the cheap. This is not K-Mart at war, this the American goddamn military. The US is still the largest economy in the world and we should have what we need. We are already making sacrifices, it’s called fighting and dying and risking get our asses and cocks blown off driving down some dusty ass road in Al Anbar to deliver soccer balls and building supplies! So, tell your MCPON - we are making sacrifices, but you goddamn well get us what we need to the job and tell the politicians you’ll resign, the CNO will resign, the other service chiefs will resign and then raise hell against them for leaving us undermanned and under armed until we damn well get what we need!
    And don’t let the fuckers off easy. Stop sucking Washington D.C.’s cock and start kicking ass and taking names up on capitol hill!

    Posted 12 May 2008 at 7:04 pm

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