From the STARS & STRIPES:
Navy seeking Yokosuka sailor after stabbing
Officials: American not a suspect in death of Japanese taxi driver
By Allison Batdorff, Stars and Stripes
Pacific edition, Saturday, March 22, 2008YOKOSUKA NAVAL BASE, Japan — A Yokosuka-based sailor is being sought for questioning in connection with the Wednesday night stabbing death of a Japanese taxi driver in Yokosuka.
The sailor is not a suspect, Commander U.S. Naval Forces spokesman Cmdr. David Waterman said Thursday, but “he may have information related to the crime.”
The sailor’s name and command were not given, only that he has been in unauthorized absence status for an undisclosed amount of time, Waterman said.
Security personnel searched vehicles leaving and entering the base Thursday, Waterman said.
From the NAVYTIMES:
Cab of slain man had serviceman’s goods
Kyodo News Service
Posted : Thursday Mar 20, 2008 18:50:25 EDTYOKOHAMA — The U.S. military in Japan has found goods that apparently belong to a U.S. serviceman in the taxi of a driver who was fatally stabbed in Yokosuka, Kanagawa Prefecture, on Wednesday night, Navy sources said Thursday.
Masaaki Takahashi, 61, was found dead on the driver’s seat with stab wounds in his neck in a parked taxi on a road in Yokosuka, police said.
The owner of the personal belongings is thought to be a crew member of the 7th Fleet’s warship based in Yokosuka, the sources told Kyodo News, and criminal investigators of the Navy are looking for the serviceman as a deserter.
Takahashi, an employee at the Shinagawa office of Tokyo-based taxi operator Anzen Group, was found slain with a kitchen knife with an eight-inch blade stuck deeply in his neck in the taxi parked on a road in Yokosuka’s town of Shioiri about 9:20 p.m.
An autopsy shows he died from blood loss.
The police found about 62,000 yen in cash in a bag left on the driver’s seat and tens of thousands of yen in a pocket of Takahashi’s clothes, according to investigations.
The police suspect the last passenger of Takahashi’s taxi stabbed him and fled after a payment dispute.
The scene is in a residential area near the main gate of the Yokosuka U.S. Navy Base.
From the MAINICHI DAILY NEWS:
U.S. serviceman’s credit card found in cab of murdered taxi driver
YOKOSUKA, Kanagawa — Police investigating the brutal slaying of a taxi driver here have found a credit card in the vehicle believed to belong to a seaman stationed at the U.S. Navy’s Yokosuka base, it has been learned.
The seaman has been missing for several weeks, and Kanagawa Prefectural Police and the U.S. Navy are searching for him, believing he is familiar with the circumstances of the killing.
Police and U.S. military officials said that the serviceman whose name was on the credit card had been stationed on a ship at the Yokosuka base. The ship departed several weeks ago, but the serviceman was not on board.
Officials from the Yokosuka-based U.S. Navy headquarters in Japan have said they will fully cooperate with Japanese investigators if the need arises.
The 61-year-old taxi driver, Masaaki Takahashi, was found dead in his cab at about 9:20 p.m. on Wednesday night after being stabbed in the neck. Only five minutes earlier, a 61-year-old resident reported hearing a man shouting “no” or “Noah.” Police are investigating a possible connection between the noise and the killing.
Officials from the Anzen Group taxi firm that Takahashi worked for said Takahashi was thought to have been attacked after taking a passenger he had picked up in Tokyo to Yokosuka. The taxi’s meter showed a fare of about 17,000 yen.
Takahashi had been due to work from about 6 a.m. on Wednesday until 2 a.m. the following day.
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How is this different than what was posted before?
Posted 20 Mar 2008 at 7:20 pm ¶I heard of the incident last night so I was not surprised at the surge of the security or when I was searched as I left the base.
This morning, however, I waited 45 minutes to walk through the Womble gate, get wanded and, have my backpack inspected. It made me wonder what exactly it was they were looking for.
So, this afternoon as I again waited in a long line to get inspected, I asked the security guard what, specifically, he was checking me for. He siad “I don’t know”. Then, as he peeked his head into my backpack, I told him he wasn’t going to find a murderer in there. He just laughed.
But there are a few things on the table here I don’t quite understand. One, if the security guards don’t know what they are looking for, why are they there? The second, and most importantly, what is it they expect to find on a person’s body or in their backpack/purses as they walk through the gate that they won’t find in a car? Oh yes, they did spot-check one trunk in twenty as cars sped through the gate but that was all.
Here is a breakdown of what I observed:
Backpacks inspected on walkers = 100%
Backpacks inspected in cars = 0%
Purses inspected on walkers = 100%
Purses inspected in cars = 0%
Walkers given the wand = 100%
Drivers given the wand = 0%
Car trunks inspected = 20%
Murderers found = 0%
Now, if the guy Cmdr. David Waterman is calling “not a suspect” has been UA from a ship that is currently underway, what makes them think he would try to get back on base?
None of this makes sense. Just my thoughts.
Posted 20 Mar 2008 at 9:14 pm ¶Buffy has got a point. They never search the person of the personnel in vehicles driving on the base, but always the walkers.
It’s not even necessary to do searches because of this incident. They are the best at taking ridiculous measures like this when there’s no real reason.
Classic case of “CYOA” Cover ytour Own Ass. Make it look like you’re doing something to appease protesters and naysayers.
Posted 20 Mar 2008 at 9:45 pm ¶Good Lord. I sincerely hope that this a coincidence and that this “person of interest” turns out to not be involved. The last thing any sailor or the Japanese need is another high profile incident like this.
Posted 20 Mar 2008 at 10:02 pm ¶Well, this is just great….Although I don’t want to believe it, something tells me this may be the real deal. If so, they should publicly string this guy up from the mast.
Posted 20 Mar 2008 at 11:45 pm ¶Belay that…I have a better idea. Why not just ground everyone, treat adults like kids, and pat themselves on the back. ‘Ol Weed can demonstrate the same quality leadership he was known for in his Cushing days……….
Lord, I heard the guy is a deck seaman with 3 months in the USN when he was transferred to Japan. I also, heard the guy has a previous criminal record.
Posted 21 Mar 2008 at 1:47 am ¶How about this? The Navy just admit that they’ve done nothing since the incident in Okinawa in 1995 to screen the kinds of guys who come here. They make these vailed promises to make profound changes, but in fact all they do is lock up the good Sailors and punish them instead?
Buffy’s blog has it right. Last night at 7:30 I was “wanded,” emptied the pockets, all that, in the pouring cold rain at Womble. When I asked the guard under what authority he was conducting the search, he said, “It’s directed by the CO.” If they are truly interested in security on the base they need to check everybody, coming in and out of the base, not pick on the walkers who are easy targets for this kind of harrasment. But then again MA’s aren’t exactly the sharpest tools in the shed, especially in Yokosuka.
Posted 21 Mar 2008 at 2:04 am ¶I’m confused… one of those news clippings says that officials are not considering the sailor a suspect in the killing… is this to apease the Japanese in lght of the recent crimes committed by US military in Okinawa?
Posted 21 Mar 2008 at 5:07 am ¶It’s a shame that is had to happen to anyone and especially to a Japanese Taxi driver, who’s doing his JOB to support his family, who is now not going to beable to see anyone else. My point here is that, If the service person has any involvement…it would be a good idea to just do the smart thing and turn himself in among being U\A, I’ve been here for a very long time and I’ve seen alot of things happening from the Yokosuka-Chuo brawl to Okinawian rape incident. To protect everyone, is not to increase the shore patrol or even doing another senseless curfew but, to show the Public and community what actions they are doing to find out the truth and bring to
ＪＵＳＴＩＣＥ all persons involved. But, the most important thing is to bring an Honorable close for the Driver and his family.
V\r,
Posted 21 Mar 2008 at 5:14 am ¶A=Shame
A=Shame,
Posted 21 Mar 2008 at 10:54 am ¶please enlighten me, what was the Yokosuka Chuo Brawl? Don’t remember hearing about that one…
I’m not one to pass on rumors, but sometimes when there’s smoke, there’s fire. I was talking to an active duty CPO last night who was telling me that he heard that the guy who killed the taxi-driver was an “English speaking Kenyan,” not an American. Anybody here anything about this in the news, because I haven’t.
Posted 21 Mar 2008 at 12:54 pm ¶You blasted a ship on here the other day, there has been no mention of any ships name on any web site/news site. Unless you have access to SIPRNETand you jumped the gun. Fingers shouldn’t be pointed. Bad publicity is not a good thing right now with all this crap happening here and in kadena and in guam.
Posted 21 Mar 2008 at 6:43 pm ¶To B-CUZ: It’s been reported on Stars & Stripes, and they didn’t get it from me.
Every Sailor, spouse, and civilian runs their mouth when stuff like this goes down. They get the same info I get, and no I didn’t take anything from any source other than scuttlebutt.
Posted 21 Mar 2008 at 8:12 pm ¶Up until now mainichinews reported the ships name. Stars and stripes had not mentioed anything about the ship before…….I hope the truth come out. If he didn’t do the killing I bet he knows who did.
Posted 21 Mar 2008 at 8:20 pm ¶When I first came to Japan in 2004, I always wondered why it seemed as if they sent way too many Sailors with misdemeanor charges or some kind of criminal discrepancy to Japan. It’s like they want people to mess up over there or something.
I was there around the time when AN Reese (whom I worked with on occasion) killed Mrs. Sato.
Posted 23 Mar 2008 at 4:43 am ¶So I was reading CNN today (Communist News Network) and saw this article. http://edition.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/asiapcf/03/23/japan.stabbings.ap/index.html
Its basically about a Japanese man who just wanted to kill, so he went on a killing spree, albeit only one was killed and seven others were injured. Do you think the Japanese are raising hell over this??? Nope…but if it was a gaijin who did it…sure as shit it would be considered “High Profile” and the story would be blasted all over the news everywhere!
Posted 23 Mar 2008 at 3:57 pm ¶Actually, the Japanese ARE raising hell over it. It was the major story on the t.v. news tonight on Ch. 1 NHK. Evidently the police new this guy was in the area and one of them was stabbed while in plain clothes.
Posted 24 Mar 2008 at 1:31 am ¶I see, but if that guy were gaijin..it be a whole nother thing. But hey…stuff happens. I still love it here.
Posted 24 Mar 2008 at 6:25 pm ¶How many japanese on japanese crimes is there daily? Should we protest about the recent stabbings in the mall. i would like to shop and not worry about a japanese going ape shit and stabbing me!!!! Or another public offical or cop molesting another young girl on the train…..can we protest this too? Are american safe here in Japan any more? Should the front gate wanna be cops be searching for japanese molesters in our backpacks as well?
Posted 24 Mar 2008 at 9:29 pm ¶Sorry mother phucker caught, aressted and handed over……FRYU.S. Navy able seaman arrested for taxi driver’s murder
Murder suspect, U.S. Navy able seaman Olantunbosun Ugbogu. (Mainichi)YOKOSUKA, Kanagawa — A U.S. Navy able seaman was arrested Thursday for the murder last month of Tokyo taxi driver Masaaki Takahashi, Kanagawa Prefectural Police said.
Olatunbosun Ugbogu, 22, a Nigerian national serving as an able seaman with the United States Navy, was arrested for robbery and murder.
Ugbogu admits to the allegations.
Police said that in Yokosuka on the night of March 19, Ugbogu fatally stabbed 61-year-old Takahashi in the neck and failed to pay the taxi fare of roughly 17,000 yen he had built up with the Tokyo taxi driver.
During a questioning session with the Kanagawa Prefectural Police on Wednesday, Ugbogu allegedly confessed to killing Takahashi.
Police used this statement as the basis for requesting a warrant for the sailor’s arrest early Thursday and the Japanese government asked U.S. military authorities to hand him over to local police. A joint Japan-U.S. committee agreed to hand over Ugbogu to the Kanagawa Prefectural Police.
U.S. military authorities escort Ugbogu, center, to Kanagawa Prefectural Police officials on Thursday. (Mainichi)Ugbogu was transported from the Yokosuka Naval Base together with a U.S. military escort to the Yokosuka Police Station and handed over to police, who served him with the warrant for his arrest.
Before the seaman was arrested, U.S. Ambassador to Japan Thomas Schieffer and Rear Admiral James Kelly, commander of U.S. Forces, Japan, paid a visit to Yokosuka Mayor Ryoichi Kabaya and offered an extremely rare apology made before an arrest had taken place.
Schieffer said he wanted “to express our deep regret and sorrow at the murder that occurred here and we also pledge to you full cooperation of the United States government in bringing the perpetrator to justice. We want to do whatever we can to reassure the people of Yokosuka that we deeply regret this and we are going to try to take measures” to prevent a recurrence, he said.
Kelly humbly apologized.
“On behalf of the U.S. Navy, please accept my deepest apology for this cruel and shameful incident, and the trouble, fear and sorrow it has caused,” he said. “You have my solemn promise that a maximum and continuing effort will be made to prevent the recurrence of such a heinous crime in Yokosuka, or anywhere else in Japan.”
Posted 02 Apr 2008 at 11:32 pm ¶IN HELL!!!!!!!!
Pigeonman, I swear you are my soul mate. The fact that you called CNN the Communist News Network makes you ace in my book! ACE!!!! You guys are right, the Japanese crimes don’t get the attention that crimes gaikokujin commit. Think about it though, if an American commits a crime in America, it’s just news. If a terrorist or some other foreigner came over and raped a teenager, it’d be international headlines galore. I think it’s just a matter of “comfort.” I guess maybe Japanese are used to their own crimes, we’re just new, meatier criminals. My Japanese friend and I discuss this all the time. It’s a weird issue to them. I lub Japan. It’s too bad that a bad seed makes the rest of us look like bad people.
Posted 03 Apr 2008 at 4:10 am ¶I LUB RICE, I think you’re pretty awesome too! Ok..so, if an American commits a crime in America it’s just news (unless its like the school massacres and whatnot, or something reeeaaaallly bad). If a TERRORIST comes over, he/she is still a terrorist point blank. That right there is the difference. We are not terrorists (at least I like to think we’re not) and shouldn’t be treated as such. But I Lub Rice, I see your point, but again, we’re not terrorists =D
Posted 03 Apr 2008 at 5:52 pm ¶Eh, I concede, you are right. But I think you get what I was trying to say…I remember a guy from Germany or Sweden who was killing prostitutes in California while on holiday. That got all kinds of attention because he wasn’t an American serial killer (but, he WAS a serial killer…another not so great example). But maybe…it’s the media and who they like for ratings and shares. Plus the Japanese have this entirely different culture (my mother is from Okinawa, she hates everyone) that I did not understand until I came here and saw that my mother wasn’t weird…she DID belong somewhere and this is where it is. Japan is just fundamentally different and it’s hard to see where they are coming from. I guess it’s not as hard for me because I have rice in my veins…and it hasn’t killed me yet…
The best way (and it’s gonna sound terrible, fyi) is that the Japanese are kind-of like the Borg from Star Trek, they have a collective mindset. They think like a tribe, everyone should be cookie-cutter and that’s why pride is such a huge issue to male Japanese. And I certainly mean no offense, I’m a half breed. And like I said, I loooooooooove (lub) Japan and if it were my choice, I’d never go back to the States and stay here for-evah.
Posted 04 Apr 2008 at 1:26 am ¶I think the Navy needs to establish a command in San Diego and Norfolk called “Overseas Transfer Personnel Screening Unit (OTPSU). Here, first term sailors E-4 and below would be required to stay for a yet to be determined time. Give them enough freedome to get in trouble, and if they do, do not send them overseas.
Posted 04 Apr 2008 at 1:46 am ¶IT1, I understand where you’re coming from but what about the majority of the Junior sailors that don’t get in trouble? Why is it limited to just E-4 and below? 2nd classes and i’m pretty sure there are some 1st classes out there who have never ventured too far from the states that would be potential for trouble over here in Japan.
Thats the one thing I dislike about the Navy, or Military in general. They’re so close minded. Rank and Age are not the same. It’s a common misconception. I have seen plenty of not first term senior sailors get into trouble out here, so why hold it against the junior first termers? Sure, the senior sailor has been around, but honestly, Japan is just that different from the states that even the best people can get into trouble out here. IT1, I’m not trying to burst your bubble, because I think you have a good idea, just don’t limit it to just 1st termers or junior sailors.
I think a big flaw is the overseas screening isn’t really a screening. I knew nothing about Japan when I got here, so I had to learn through my experiences and mistakes. All I’m saying is you can’t catch them all.
I lub rice - I get what you’re saying. I like the comment about “rice in your veins” that made me laugh! I’m half german, so whats flowing through my veins?? Star Trek….what’s that? =P
Posted 04 Apr 2008 at 2:17 am ¶You have bratwurst in your veins…and your pants!
I can see where IT1 is coming from on the young guys though, those are the ones walking around base talking about how doing my daughter would be worth the statutory rape charge (yes, that happened and yes, I cussed them out only to be handed the “aye shipmate” comment, morons) and nine times out of ten, those are the guys in the Honch yelling and screaming and going into that 7/11 over there and hassling those poor Japanese store clerks. Honestly, I’ve seen drunk people in there yelling about the karaage and not having candy they wanted. It’s shit like that that makes me distrust young sailors and I hate to say it, but since I don’t know which ones are lacking brain cells, I’m kinda leery of all of them until they prove otherwise. It’s easier and it’s the Navy way to punish many for the sins of one. That’s exactly what I am doing too, but I don’t know any other way to keep my daughter safe.
I guess it just seems that most of the time (not all, but the occurrences of late) it’s a young military guy, someone with VERY poor coping skills and money to burn. That’s the way it seems anyway.
Posted 04 Apr 2008 at 3:17 am ¶History repeats itself in chapters, this is not new to me and it certaintly is not shocking. To hear of another murder in Yokosuka or Japan by a service member is a normal ocurrence. I served on the Hawk from Jan 2000 to Jan 2004, its no different now from then. Same issues, same shit, same toilet bowl, different day. The leadership back then bowed and swore to the Japanese government and its citizens, such “heinous” acts would never re-occur, so once more here we are again approx. a year after the last murder. In 2002 when all hell broke loose, we were on base lock down for a month, base liberty, no beer, no honch no freedom. The following year shortly after arriving in Yoko after our Iraq tour, the lockdown became worst. DUI after DUI, aggrevated assault, rape, drugs, Alcohol releated fights, sailors set a fire to a honch bar, a philipino buy me drink girl was brutally beaten with a Karaoke microphone, a 14 year old girl raped and left to die near Shiori station and many other idiotic and retarded crimes, the list goes on…My question is..How are these idiots with records and prior accounts being sent to Japan..? I remember I went to a strenuous and very thorough process to be approved to get my orders to Japan, orders I chose over Italy, Norfolk and my home state CA. As a seaman recruit, I had to endure several interviews with high ranking officers ranging from Commanders, Captains to a Vice Admiral (the Commander Navy Hospital DET Dam Neck VA). So what happened to those requirements..? ahhh yeah, needs of the Navy, i forgot…send 3 shit bag sailors to a fucked place before you send one solid salior, ofcourse..Management Management Management.
Posted 04 Apr 2008 at 9:19 am ¶PigeonMan, Understand….Unfortunately, when a blanket policy is enacted in the Navy, as you know, it’s going to cover a wide spectrum of people in that category. Believe me, I had to deal with the liberty plans and all the restrictions that were imposed when Ms. Sato was killed. Unfortunately, the vast majority of major liberty incidents come from the first term, E-4 and below category. If the screening worked the way it should, CMCs and COs would really take into account what kind of person they are signing off to send overseas.
Posted 04 Apr 2008 at 1:21 pm ¶The sad thing is I saw many excellent sailors separate from the Navy while onboard a ship there in Yokosuka. The crappy morale just drove them over the edge and they were fed up. Something has got to be done to try and weed out the small percentage of people that are getting over there and screwing things up. I don’t know if the idea I had would be better off by being a unit housed in the country (like an indoc division tailored for that area).
The sailors in Yokosuka, Japan are at it again, unable to contain themselves because of their blood lust for murder. A new hand of their continuing invigorating pastime has just been played after a 22 year old USS Cowpens sailor is arrested for yet another murder in the city of Yokosuka. Brings the count to a few too many. Does anyone remember the 19 year old USS Gary sailor who, on July 5th, 2007, Japanese police arrested sailor for attempted murder by stabbing a 16-year-old girl and a young woman, a year after another U.S. sailor was jailed for life for murder in the same city.
Apparently that treacherous act of actual murder in January 2006 by a USS Kitty Hawk sailor (the notorious AN Reese) was not enough. Yokosuka is aiming to throw another service-member in prison to keep the previous murdering-moron company. I guess someone felt sorry for Sato-san’s killer, who was sentenced to life in prison for killing the 56 year old Yokosuka resident over mere change.
It appears that the recent trouble that other Yokosuka sailors have found themselves engaged in has proven to be little deterrent for others to remain out of trouble. Having served in Yokosuka for almost 6 years myself, I understand the difficulties that the young sailors face. However, there is no excuse for all of the egregious acts that have been committed against the local citizens lately; their actions completely discredit the entire Navy, the Military and United States as a whole. This degenerate behavior cannot, should not and will not go unpunished.
Unfortunately, sailors in Yokosuka are going to have no choice but to endure increasing difficulty while enjoying themselves after work, all due to the careless actions of a few reckless individuals.
When are the Sailors-Gone-Wild in Yokosuka going to clean up their act? What is it going to take to ensure that every single American in Japan who works on a military installation or visitor is not looked at with the stink eye because we have a few bad apples among us?
These young kids need to be contained immediately otherwise we (as a nation and military) are going to find ourselves looking down the barrel of a politically-charged gun that will do nothing but hurt everyone involved. The Commander of Fleet Activities Yokosuka, Commander Seventh Fleet and Commander Naval Forces Japan need to consider invoking some extremely harsh punishment for even the smallest infraction. Additionally, extensive training for young sailors needs to take place before these people are unleashed on the unsuspecting citizens of Japan. Anything less is mere incompetence on behalf of the aforementioned so-called self-serving leaders.
Posted 04 Apr 2008 at 1:25 pm ¶I*loved*yokosuka, I’m pretty sure you went overboard with the “blood lust for murder” bit. I just love how you all think every junior sailor is bad, but thats where being naive and uneducated comes into play. Sure, you walk out into the honch and you will see the same dipshits night after night. I just hate that the military is an outlet for complete morons straight out of highschool. They haven’t had the time to become seasoned are still very immature to say the least. I’m not trying to get a rise out of anyone, but I guess I just don’t fit into the category you older sailors/parents etc. seem to talking about. But than again, I didn’t join straight out of highschool nor do I not know how to control my actions. I just hate those ‘kids’ that are screwing things up for me.
Posted 04 Apr 2008 at 5:26 pm ¶I agree, that’s a little harsh with the blood lust. Not everyone is a shitbag. That’s a sweeping generalization. I know, I know, I said earlier that I do it too, but some guys you can just TELL what they are about from how they carry themselves.
Another thing I*loved*Yokosuka: the murderer THIS time was a DESERTER. Why should active duty guys who show up to work on time and keep coming back for more Navy bullshit have to pay for what a deserter did? I agree, this whole situation is bad, but why make it worse by stomping down on the junior sailors who already dislike their work life so much that they seek comfort in making poor decisions? And I’m just asking, not attacking.
You think it should come to punishing these guys for the “smallest infractions?” That’s what makes people hate the Navy and start acting afool! I knew a guy once who went to mast and was BUSTED DOWN IN RANK for wearing the wrong friggin hat to work. THE WRONG HAT. He was probably fumbling around in the dark to get to work and grabbed THE WRONG HAT. Is that how petty you are talking? Wrong hat on the job technically IS an infraction, is it not?
And I thought pigeonman lubbed me…
Really, I didn’t mean to make that same sweeping generalization. Some guys are just plain creepy acting and creepy looking. You know the ones. The ones that leer at the girls and say DISGUSTING THINGS. Hell, there was one guy at Chili’s the other night talking about some girl named Elizabeth and how her cooch was tight…within earshot of a little kid no less. I know all about her cooter now…you would have thought this guy was her gynecologist. Of course, he was a young dipshit sailor.
Posted 04 Apr 2008 at 5:46 pm ¶I am only 23, but I know when to tone my words down. Usually its at a place where families might be or in an area with little children. Even if it’s an open place and there are children that would be able to hear me if I shout, I take note and try my very best to keep the profane language from coming out of my mouth. If I do have something to say I just wait til later or keep it on the hush hush. I’m sorry about you hearing about another girls vagina (is that an appropriate description? lol).
Oh, and I do lub you Ricey Veins! But I don’t like your Potty Mouth!! (young dipshit sailor) =( That hurt…and it burns…like a road rash..HOW COULD YOU!!! =P
Some people come from respectable homes, and others from broken. There’s not too much we can do about it at this point. They are who they are and it’s hard to break people from that. But every now and then a nice suggestion or something goes a long way. For example, If I’m at, lets say Chili’s, and I start cursing and a parent barks at me about keeping it down and to stop cursing (you know…real hateful like) I’m just gonna continue on my way because I’m an asshole like that. (not really, but thats just my example) If the parent were to politely ask me (can’t speak for others) I would probably apologize and watch my language. Uhh…basically I forgot what my point was in regards to the post…but yeah…kindess can go a long way.
I lub rice, did you say anything to this young dipshit sailor? Prolly shoulda punched him in the mouth! lol j/k!
Posted 05 Apr 2008 at 12:32 am ¶I guess road rash is better than other types of rashes hahahaha! Ok, back to the matter at hand…oh wait, for 23 you sure are worldly! You must be an old soul…too bad there aren’t more guys like you here in Japan!!! I didn’t say anything to the guy. They left and I thought it would make them angry. I try to be nice…the only time I got stank with someone was when that group of guys didn’t know I was the mother of the girl they just said they’d go to jail for raping, but otherwise, I don’t see where negativity gets anyone anywhere. My rice force is strong.
Posted 05 Apr 2008 at 3:33 am ¶Don’t underestimate the DORK side of the force! ha ha! As for me being worldly, eh, maybe. Maybe it was the way I was raised? Thats another thing. No one knows what kind of home life these junior sailors have, again I think I stated that earlier. But it’s true. Nobody knows nor do they care to find out. Some might but it goes in one ear and out the other. I have a Dept. Head that even with his busy schedule is very aware of the changes that happen with his personnel. He makes sure you call your parents when you get there (from his office)…he seems to care. Yarrr! Negativity gets you nowhere, but hey, sometimes it just feels oh so good. But then you reap what you sow!
Posted 05 Apr 2008 at 1:49 pm ¶Pigeon & heart*rice,
The blood lust comment was a bit overboard, however I will not make a cheap attempt at revising that comment. What I will take back is the
comment. You guys are going through enough already, why would anyone even suggest any additional punishment; being in the FDNF is a punishment of its own (not entirely).
Posted 09 Apr 2008 at 7:35 am ¶
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Posted 09 Apr 2008 at 4:24 pm ¶Do you honestly think that this curfew was that bad? Sure, 2200 does suck a little bit, but I can play this game. As for the alcohol, if you need it to survive…you need help. So, this punishment in my opinion could have been worse. You’re blood lust for murder remark wasn’t overboard it was unnecessary at most! You just generalized every junior sailor or naval person out there as cold hearted murderers. I’m pretty sure that’s not the case as you are able to respond to the comments on this page. We murder all the time though right?
You wouldn’t be cheap if you just rescinded the comment all together. I’m sure you’re just trying show your angst and distaste but a little more rational next time. As for more punishment for the smallest infraction, I half way agree with you. If we can stop the little things from happening we probably wouldn’t be in this mess now would we? The big issues would have a lesser chance of occuring. Seems to me like you “revised” the wrong comment. Whatever makes you happy.
The people who bake the cake are usually not the same ones that eat it.
Posted 09 Apr 2008 at 4:28 pm ¶PigeonMan,
My comments were directed at everyone period, no discrimination in rank, race or gender. Everyone in the 7th fleet AOR has the potential to murder someone, or get drunk and commit a gruesome crime. If you feel my comments were directed solely at the junior sailor, then let’s talk a little bit about that. Let’s see if we can get some factual data instead of opinions, if CFAY were to publish such information, I would be as inclined to make every effort to obtain this information.
More than likely the data report would contain the rank of every incident reported on and off base. There you would find the vast majority of alcohol related incidents, blue on blue fights and other petty crimes were committed by “junior” sailors. E-5 and above will still have a place in such report, only their numbers are significantly low to where the powers that be deem them mature and responsible. You’re guilty by association Pigeon. If I could obtain a report for DUI / DWI and Domestic Abuse incidents in the last several years, the tables would turn. That information would contain E-5, E-6 and above as the repeat offenders, there I was guilty by association. My wife had to endure constant phone calls from the base Family Support Group asking funny questions like “is he drinking allot?”, “has he been acting violently towards you?”, “do you feel like you may be in danger, even if not immediately?”. Point being is simple, everyone is guilty by association. Your group just happens to be under the lime light and under the full attention and scrutiny of the old men that will either make you or break you.
Pigeon, you can go about this many ways and whichever you choose is up to you really.
1) You can continue to bitch, moan and whine on a blog,
2) You can study your material become a professional in your rate, make rank and disassociate yourself from the pack,
3) you can blend in to the group, lay extremely low for the next few years either choose orders somewhere else or get out or
4) Use your imagination here. But whatever Pigeon, your career not mine, you’re on Active Duty not me.
It’s really disheartening to see you guys go through the same I had to endure, Pigeon I speak from experience. Assuming you’re a youngster fresh out of high school, when you were at home getting ready for prom then the all nighter with your buddies, I had to make sure I was home (living off base) calling the Duty Department LCPO to check in for the night.
Jim has something great going on in here; I wish I had a place to discuss the atrocities that surrounded us on the Hawk and 7th Fleet as a whole. I’m with you guys on this one, I really am. You guys need to stay strong, let the scum bags around you screw up, let the Navy weed out those who are not fit to serve abroad. Little by little this situation will iron itself out and when it does, those who kept their nose clean and can walk straight will reap the benefits.
Posted 10 Apr 2008 at 6:25 am ¶I*Loved*Yokosuka is correct. When I initially made the recent post on restrictions, I decided to leave out a PowerPoint presentation I was sent called “Incidents and Consequences.” (I didn’t post it because I was told it was originally intended for COs only.) It was basically a rundown of all the incidents, including traffic incidents, the offender’s information, and their consequences. It was obviously created to show the risk of committing crimes out here, but it also cataloged a majority of the incidents that have taken place so far. Junior Sailors are more likely to commit crimes out here, bottom line. As someone who started as an E1, I know no one wants to hear that, as junior guys already get a bad rep, but it’s true.
Anyone who ever reads SITREPs on the NOC page will also be able to agree with I*Loved*Yokosuka, about most of the offenders for domestic violence being higher ranking folks. Out here, DUIs will always be E5 and above since we’re the only ones who can drive.
Posted 10 Apr 2008 at 6:36 am ¶Stunning response ILY.
I wish the base would publish a “police blotter” type informational paragraph in the paper. Just numbers, no informational data…that would be interesting to see and would really make sense to us civilians who don’t have any involvement with the Navy other than being married to it.
Posted 10 Apr 2008 at 2:45 pm ¶I’m glad that you are eager to assume that I am fresh out of highschool. In fact that is not the case. I have been out of highschool for quite some time now and guess what!? I even went to college for 3 years. ASSuME, only makes an ASS out of you and ME. But I’m glad you generalize rank with age, just like every other senior enlisted person and/or officer or person associated with the military. Look outside the box and realize that not everyone that is a low rank is straight out of highschool.
1. Isn’t that the point of a blog?
2. I’m working on it but it takes time, you should know that.
3. Why blend in with the group making the mistakes? Isn’t that what I’m trying not to do? I don’t have a problem being here, I really don’t. I just don’t like being called a murderer.
So we’re all blood lusting for murder? I doubt it.
4. I do use my imagination, but the Navy is so set in it’s ways that it can’t be open minded to fresh new insight.
Back to #2. I can progress in my career, make rank but that won’t disassociate me from the pack. I will always fit into some sort of bracket. I agree that we’re all guilty by association, but what is your point? Was it that we’re guilty because of the rank we wear? So we’re all just guilty of this murder that happened? Is that what you’re saying?
Posted 10 Apr 2008 at 5:08 pm ¶WTG PM…I missed you in second period today! You must have been at your locker.
Posted 10 Apr 2008 at 6:38 pm ¶Pigeon,
Posted 10 Apr 2008 at 8:52 pm ¶First and foremost I must say you certainly have a cunning way of taking peoples words out of context to fit your argument, very convenient for you. I sincerely hope you are either an enlisted Legalman or at least a Navy Journalist; it would be a shame for someone with such an intricate linguistic base to waste their time as an undesignated Grease Slapper or undesignated Deck Ape.
Instead of spinning your wheels and arguing about something that you have absolutely no power over, make an attempt on staying on the subject matter with factual data; numbers don’t lie. You can continue to make written attacks at me or anyone who does not accept your opinion or whose opinion you refuse to comprehend, but that only shows your inner character.
Pigeon, one more thing before I move on, you chose the worst places to quote me on, how about reinforcing the fact that I support each and every one of you and that I am on your side? Or maybe the fact that I came from where you are? I am now a Veteran after 8 years in the ‘Nav, of all the troops I support it’s the guys from 7th Fleet because I can honestly relate more to you than I can with any other group I associated myself during my days on active duty. Regardless Pigeon, you seem like a sound squared away guy who is just completely fed up with the bullshit that comes along with wearing a Blue shirt, I hope the good sailors get rewarded and get to reap the benefits soon.
I didn’t take your words out of context. What you said about the 7th fleet AOR being able to commit murder AND being guilty by association were not put in a different context but simply put together. What I get from that is; Since we’re all able bodies lusting for murder (Ok, I guess I am spinning your words a little differently than you would like, but hey, this is what makes for great debate. Afterall this is my opinion, and I’m entitled to have it.) and guilty by association; we should be accountable for that sailors actions? You wrote it, I’m just asking the question.
I’m sorry to dissapoint you but I’m not undesignated nor am I in the deck department. I was afforded the opportunity to choose my rate. Are you a bit unhappy because your 8 years as Sailor were spent trying to figure out what you wanted to do in the Navy? Am I stepping on your toes because I take your words and put them into context (just not yours). All I am doing is showing you how you failed at saying whatever it was you were trying to convey. You said it buddy…we’re all blood lusting capable murderers guilty by association! Can’t be anymore clear than that!
What is the subject matter again? Maybe you forgot to read the article, or simply you forgot this is a BLOG which entitles people to interpret the subject how they see fit and then discuss. You, much like me, choose to attack those who do not accept your opinion. Same boat buddy. Sometimes disagreeing opens peoples eyes, it’s call matter of opinion. What factual data are you referring to? I can comprehend what you are saying, but that doesn’t mean I agree, so maybe you shouldn’t be so hot to take pot shots at me and do some more homework and research before you look like an ass.
The only thing I didn’t care to hear coming from you was the blood lust for murder bit. The fact that you won’t rescind such a hateful yet generalized comment shows your inner character mr! I don’t need factual data to state my opinion that I think you are wrong. I’m pretty sure I see eye to eye with you on some other things (harsher punishment might not be so bad!).
I like what Jim wrote in response to your quite obvious factual data with the DUI’s and DWI’s. Thank you captain obvious! As Jim says:
While that is partly true, you can’t neglect the married E-4’s! They can drive too! Either way I realize that junior sailors are more likely to commit crimes out here (My guess its because they all came straight from highschool and have no discipline! Am I right *I*Loved*Yokosuka?).
Don’t hate me because I’m better at this than you, ok? No hard feelings, just great debate!
Posted 10 Apr 2008 at 11:28 pm ¶Pigeon,
There you go again with the direct and personal attacks towards my previous posts, whatever makes you happy. Feel free to continue to run around in circles as you please. So it was my blood lust for murder comment that struck a little nerve in Pigeon? Is that why you are butt hurt? Get over it, seeing is that im usually in 7th Fleet 3-4 months out of the year (contract manager for Raytheon) should I be hurt about my comments too? Your opinion is your opinion, although I dont agree with it I’ll respect it, as I would expect the same. Once more I stand behind my comments.
Im not dissapointed at all, on the contrary im glad there are still very educated and competent sailors such as the ones on this blog. I am also glad you were able to choose your rate, nothing worst than being suckered into a crappy job. To provide a quick reply to your final comment as I quoted, I spent 8 years doing what I loved, I also spent much time doing other duties I enjoyed; absolutely no regrets if anything I feel like I didnt do enough. In the midst of upkeeping my quals and getting my warfare pin, I was able to get one of them bullshit degrees from the Navy college (thats another subject) on top of that, I was head of several other collateral duties shipwide and in my division.
Posted 11 Apr 2008 at 6:40 am ¶Yes, the lust for murder struck a nerver because your a fucking idiot who fails at judging people. YAY! I win! I used a potty word! I really don’t care about your accomplishments in the Navy because the military is an easy game to play. Anyone can do it…there’s plenty of proof of that! You just made a poor comment and I called you out on it, I’m sure others didn’t like and decided not to say anything. Sure, I’m using personal attacks because I’m not too fond of stupid people. You are proof of a military brainwashing.
Posted 11 Apr 2008 at 6:59 am ¶on the contrary, I win. I excercised my freedom of speech, and voiced my opinion the same way I would in front of your CO or the people making your little life miserable, something you are from being able to do. You seem to have allot of anger in you and dont quite know how to channel it. Please do everyone a favor, dont get drunk tonight angry about this little written “debate” and murder a civilian, beat up a Japanese National or get into a blue on blue incident, you will only add fuel to the 7th Fleet fire; on the other hand you’ll probably give everyone on here another great post to rant on. Furthermore I rescind my comments towards you, I guess you’re not quite the educated stand up sailor I thought you were. Usually when someone has to resort to direct foul language while attempting to explain themselves, they are not worth the time. Regardless of what was previously said you voiced your opinion and argument very well, I can respect that.
If anyone else thought any of my previous posts were of bad taste, uncalled for and even degenerate please voice your opinion.
Posted 11 Apr 2008 at 8:06 am ¶ROFL, you think because I said a few choice words on the internet to a scrub you fear I’m going to kill someone? My life isn’t miserable, I enjoy what I do, who I do and where I live. You can think that I’m not educated all you want, but you don’t know me. You can only think you know me based on what I present on this website. Other than that you have no idea what I’m capable of.
Posted 11 Apr 2008 at 4:23 pm ¶ILY, that was uncalled for. It seems you are angry yourself.
PigeonMan, you enjoy
Mistakes are so fun!
Posted 13 Apr 2008 at 12:40 am ¶the WHO I DO was intentional sweetie…
Posted 13 Apr 2008 at 5:05 pm ¶This whole thing is so sad.
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